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Posted: Monday, 18 May 2009 12:01PM

Rock and Roll Rushmore Rebuttal (Sorta)





nick@wgr550.com

PROBLOGUE: Madonna being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is the worst. I have no proof, but the fact that Chuck Day, who wrote the guitar riff for "Secret Agent Man," died on the day her election was announced has to mean something. You know who else died that day? Kurt Eberling, Sr. -- the inventor of the Spaghetti-O.

"You see, it's spaghetti, just in the shape of an 'O.' Whaddya think?"
 
Some of you may know that I am heavily and mentally invested in "rock and roll" music, and so it was with a mix of intrigue and trepidation that I tuned into Mike Schopp and The Bulldog's discussion of who would belong on the Mount Rushmore of Rock.

As a caller pointed out, to me there's a difference between "rock" and "rock and roll," (I've told you I'm a nerd), but I felt inclined to participate via this space. The whole thing is even more self-indulgent than you think, especially when you learn who I picked and how it matches up to the "Three-to-sevenners" (I'm running out of ways to say their name).

A lot of the reader comments on the afternoon show's page feel false to me in that they seem to be personal Mount Rushmores of Rock, not who "belongs" on this list. If I built a personal one in my backyard, which I may do, it would have Bruce Springsteen, Johnny Cash, Elliott Smith and Smokey Robinson. Why? Because it's my backyard.

Yet Schopp and The Bulldog did a good job of catching the spirit of the thing, even if I disagree with the end result. Keith Richards and John Lennon wouldn't come near my list. I'd put Richards before Lennon, actually, as his friendship with Gram Parsons really helped shape what would later become Whiskeytown, Uncle Tupelo, and their offspring (Ryan Adams, Son Volt, Wilco).

I think you'd need to pick four categories that should be represented -- songwriter/storyteller, frontman, guitar "god" and a miscellaneous category including instrumental revolutionaries, rebels, performers and true rhythm and blues (Outta here, K-Ci and JoJo).
 
Before the "finalists," a caveat -- As a "McCartney guy," I am going to eliminate all The Beatles right away. As a group, they would unquestionably make it, but to pick one is unjust.
 
Here's who I would consider**:
 
Songwriter/storyteller -- Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, Waylon Jennings, Buddy Holly, Bruce Springsteen
 
Springsteen is eliminated right off the bat because I don't think he would've existed without Dylan, Cash and Motown. Jennings goes away because he's definitely my music nerd choice, and Holly is gone because I think he's a notch below Dylan and Cash. Cash would be my personal choice, but Dylan is unquestionably the picture next to the definition of singer/songwriter. When I started typing this out, Cash was going to win this spot. Whoops. Integrity.

Actually, this wasn't a symbolic gesture by Dylan. The photo was snapped during the infamous "Dylan Throat Heist" performed by the nefarious Joan Baez.
 
Frontman/performer - Elvis Presley, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, David Bowie
 
Peace out, Jim Morrison. I bought The Doors' "Greatest Hits" early in high school, fell in love with some of the songs, and then two things happened in the early part of this decade.
 
One -- My best friend Bob Kiekbusch bought one of his spoken word poetry albums, and it remains one of the worst things to happen to recorded performance.
 
Two -- Local radio murdered The Doors by thinking everyone wanted to hear "Roadhouse Blues" at the top and bottom of every hour.
 
Bowie loses because of "Labyrinth," even though I know we all make mistakes and Jennifer Connolly is real good-looking. So, it's Jagger or Elvis. Maybe Mick's a victim of when he was born, but Elvis is Elvis.

His face belongs on my fake rock.
 
Guitar "god" -- Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Pete Townshend, Chuck Berry, Joe Strummer, Angus Young
 
I'm not a guitar player -- believe me, I've tried -- so I feel least confident in making this selection. I can tell you that Page and Townshend are my favorites, but I can also tell you that when my cousin Jim first showed me rock and roll, he showed me Hendrix, and I don't even think he was that huge a fan. It was just something anyone in music needed to hear. With apologies to the rest, he also wins the "Whose face is more recognizable?" test.

"Doctor, it burns when I..."
 
R&B, Other -- James Brown, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Sam Cooke, Otis Redding
 
Stevie Wonder is still alive, and for some reason that is making me knock him off the list, even if "Fingertips" and "Uptight" are the highlights of the Motown boxed set. Otis Redding and Sam Cooke are less pivotal than the other two, which leaves Charles and Brown against each other, and the face test isn't conclusive.
 
Charles has more songs on the list of my all-time favorites, but Brown wins, if only for what I read in this book:

Great opening few chapters (Haven't read the whole thing yet).
 
**It is hurting me on the inside to not have included the following names who were so important to my formative musical years: Neil Young, The Band (Levon Helm), The Temptations, The Tragically Hip, Beastie Boys and Pearl Jam.

I can't believe I'm going to be flip, and wing a quick "Genre Halls of Fame" in this space, but hey, it'll be the first four I think off. I feel quite willing to edit these at any time:

Mount Rushmore of Hip-Hop: Grandmaster Flash, Chuck D., Tupac Shakur, Deborah Harry, Jay-Z
Mount Rushmore of Hardcore/Punk: Henry Rollins, Ian MacKaye, Sid Vicious, Joey Ramone
Mount Rushmore of Metal: Lemme, Jimmy Page, James Hetfield, Angus Young

Email: nick@wgr550.com

05/18/2009 12:34PM
Rock and Roll Rushmore Rebuttal (Sorta)
You're a dork...
05/18/2009 1:58PM
Dylan Throat Heist
that's very funny.
05/18/2009 3:02PM
lame...
can you be anymore generic and lame with springsteen on that list?...get him and his over-rated, lowest common denominator appealing garbage outta here.where's eddie van halen? where is david gilmour?
05/18/2009 3:50PM
come on
Unforgivable to not mention David Gilmour.
05/18/2009 4:42PM
This is a perfect example
of why sports guys should stick to sports...even if it means another esoteric soccer article.
05/18/2009 4:44PM
hip hop
jay z over biggie...might as well put eminem in there or kanye in there
05/18/2009 6:27PM
Come off it
You guys are ridiculous. Let the guy have his opinion. You've got one guy posting twice because he's mad his precious hippie band Pink Floyd wasn't mentioned by either Nick or Mike and Bulldog. Then you've got another guy ripping on him for liking soccer, which I've only read maybe once (Not that I've read everything ever on this sight). Lastly, Biggie was overrrated, and Jay-Z managed to not get himself killed while buying a basketball team, making a clothing line massive and marrying Beyonce. Yeah, I'd rather be the dead fat guy.
05/18/2009 6:29PM
you forgot Foreigner
and Speedwagon. This is Buffalo, dude. Nelson needs to be considered.
05/19/2009 8:58AM
Forgot about Dre?
I know these choices were just off the top of your head but no Dre for hip-hop?
05/19/2009 12:48PM
Hardcore
Ian MacKaye all the way. Minor Threat would almost be enough, but Fugazi puts him over the top. Rollins, I love the man, but can't help but admit that Black Flag was better before he became a part of it.
05/19/2009 2:01PM
lame squared
to the dude who mentioned van halen. go put on your sweet bills zubaz grab your copy of 5150 and go play in traffic. thats if youll ever leave your moms basement. i know its sweet down there. i mean i know its a safe haven for you and your pals to play magic the gathering and jam out dark side of the moon but seeing the sun light is also kinda rad. try it sometime.
05/19/2009 2:40PM
dylan
i guess you can keep dylan on there...that is if you like the sound fax machines make when you call them
05/19/2009 3:19PM
mount rushmore of rock bass
John Entwistle (no question) Billy Sheehan (he's played with some crappy bands, but he's awesome), Les Claypool (Primus sucks!), and Geddy Lee (deal with it, Jeremy White and you other Rush haters). Jack Bruce maybe should be there, but not over Entwistle and I can only have one 60s dude. And Cliff Burton ain't there--cry me a river, Metallicoids.
05/19/2009 3:58PM
bass
what about flea? the guy can slap a mean bass
05/19/2009 4:09PM
Red Faced Chili Pepper
You're right, I probably blew it. you can put Flea on there instead of Sheehan (maybe?). Now I'm agonizing...
05/19/2009 5:01PM
Sheehan
Just refreshed my memory with some Sheehan stuff on Youtube. Sorry, Canada: Geddy's gone. Sheehan, Claypool, Entwistle, Flea. If only the Ox were still around: they could get together for a rousing rendition of "Big Bottoms." (But who plays the double-neck?)
05/19/2009 5:32PM
From the author (Nick)...
Even if it's very mean-spirited, the comment about grabbing "5150" and playing in traffic almost made me wet myself.
05/26/2009 6:35PM
Sid Vicious?
Really? Have you ever even listened to the Sex Pistols or is this just pandering?
05/31/2009 12:51PM
Staying to sports
Are you kidding me. It's great when they get off topic!
05/31/2009 6:16PM
Sid Vicious
I was thinking of people who could actually PLAY the instrument they held on stage. Are the Sex Pistols important? Absolutely. Is Sid Vicious a great bass player? Absolutely not.
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